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Post by Remy on Feb 1, 2010 10:25:18 GMT -7
Maybe. I would also have you think about work laptop and computers that get locked down by the company. Does my locked down work laptop get put into a different category then my home laptop?
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Post by p00p on Feb 1, 2010 10:36:54 GMT -7
Maybe. I would also have you think about work laptop and computers that get locked down by the company. Does my locked down work laptop get put into a different category then my home laptop? Not at all. The point is that your company CAN lock down it's PC for it's own purposes and by it's on rules and regulations because it owns the hardware. Our discussion here in this thread has evolved more towards the Apple Wizard saying: "This is your device; This is what you can do with it" in contrast to the M$ Wizard saying "These are the possibilities, you are only limited by the current hardware, your own uses and your imagination". -or am I taking that too far? 'Cause I don't think I am.
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Post by Jackdruid on Feb 1, 2010 10:59:18 GMT -7
I think I can boil this fight down to something simple. Two camps are forming here. Correct me if I'm wrong or have over simplified. 1) Camp Appliance: Computing as it is today will be replaced with appliances. -Easy to use devices designed for specific uses. They may have limits, but the purpose for these limits are to create a stable and enjoyable experience designed for the device's purpose. 2) Camp All-all-in-one: One device to rule them all. One device that can do everything we can do on a desktop as well as the most simple tasks that any appliance can render (completely subjective to UI and individual applications), but be more portable than current laptops and more powerful than netbooks. Does that sound about right? Now maybe there's room for both camps in the forest. But we know where I've set up my tent. I think we'll see the general public start to form which camp they choose this year. I've been calling macs "appliances" for over a year now, so I agree with much of the talk about the iPad not being a "computer" in the pure sense - I consider it an appliance with abilities that will be dictated by what Apple allows it to do. Also, the iPad seems less like an appliance for doing and more an appliance for consuming, which also makes it lean away from the "computer" moniker in my book. I also think there is room in the forest for both camps - frankly, as long as there are people demanding an "all-in-one", someone will be willing to provide it. Whether that remains dominant remains to be seen. With the apparent success of Windows 7, I don't see businesses going away from Windows any time soon. Although that doesn't necessarily mean they will use PCs instead of terminals, it does preclude macs. It has been the demand from businesses (and subsequent user familiarity with Windows) that have kept Windows dominant all these years, anyway, not consumers.
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Post by Mathazar on Feb 1, 2010 11:41:09 GMT -7
It makes me sad to see people accept the corporate view of "new world computing". Why spend 10 minutes figuring out how to watch TV on your netbook for free when you can just pay someone do it for you on your ipad. It appears to me that it's embracing ignorance and paying for the privilege of not having to decide. Why think for yourself when a charismatic guy in a black turtle neck can sell you his visions of the future for 99 cents a pop.
I'm with Poop. I want to find the best thing for me. I don't want to be told how to do something, or even what to do. I love starting out trying to figure out the best way to rip a DVD to my phone and ending up reading an article about the possibility of bio electronics. For me the journey to the answer is as fulfilling as the answer itself, some times more so.
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Post by Mathazar on Feb 1, 2010 12:09:14 GMT -7
Ok I've had. If I get called kool-aid drinker or fruit zealot for being excited for where technology is going fine. I could be wrong but what I get from your posts on apple is that you are happy with the way some things are delivered to you in a shiny package that's easy to use. That's fine by me, some times I just want easy too. I get that. It's a tablet like your cable bridge is a modem. If you want to redefine terms at a whim expect some resistance. This is a common problem that I have with the Apple crowd. It sounds like (apple fans) think that it's not a real technology until apple "enters the market". It also flies in the face of the "Apple innovates" mantra that I hear so often. I had novels on my Palm 10 years ago. I call bullshit. The 2e and an old 286 where not just open, but empty. You got a blank slate upon which you put whatever you wanted. You didn't void your warranty on these machines by loading un-approved software, or cracking the case to just have a look around. And when he does tinker with his ipad he'll be a criminal for circumventing the drm and reverse engineering the OS to do what he wants. I have no idea how this is related, but that is cool. Finding alternative fueled cars is a good thing too. But since there are very few ethenol stations currently available. Should you buy a new car that only takes the new gas or one of those fancy flex fuel cars that can do it all. Only your PC is better than flex fuel because it's both backwards and forwards compatible.
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Post by Phr0st on Feb 1, 2010 12:12:17 GMT -7
Maybe. I would also have you think about work laptop and computers that get locked down by the company. Does my locked down work laptop get put into a different category then my home laptop? This is a big one for me, I can't stand what corporations do... Working on site at Pearson has shown me corporations are still 10 years behind at the least. But it still shows the same mentality. They lock down everything to what "they" can control. Less support/software cost. Same thing applies for apple and other consumer electronics companies, they control the hardware/software they decide what you get. I think p00p has it right, but i think there will be a middle camp that forms. Somewhat open, somewhat closed.
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Post by p00p on Feb 1, 2010 12:45:01 GMT -7
I think p00p has it right, but i think there will be a middle camp that forms. Somewhat open, somewhat closed. The use of 'Camps' instead of 'Teams' was deliberate for this reason
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Post by b0lg on Feb 1, 2010 13:43:39 GMT -7
I see two camps forming here. Correct me if I'm wrong or have over simplified (please). 1) Camp Appliance: Computing as it is today will be replaced with appliances. -Easy to use devices designed for specific uses. They may have limits, but the purpose for these limits are to create a stable and enjoyable experience designed for the device's purpose. 2) Camp All-all-in-one: One device to rule them all. One device that can do everything we can do on a desktop as well as the most simple tasks that any appliance can render (completely subjective to UI and individual applications), but be more portable than current laptops and more powerful than netbooks. Does that sound about right? Now maybe there's room for both camps in the forest. But we know where I've set up my tent. I think we'll see the general public start to form which camp they choose this year. Never thought about computers that way, if one part your all-in-one breaks you may lose the rest... I'll just run between the camps fixing the broken toys.
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Post by b0lg on Feb 1, 2010 13:48:08 GMT -7
5. Last night my wife and I played Rock band over bluetooth on our iPhones. That is f'n cool. 6. A fight over flash is not a bad thing.http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/01/sympathy_for_the_devil.html 7. For those TLDR I don't want to hear a word from you. End of line. Some good points, that Rock band game sounds neat.
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Post by Mathazar on Feb 2, 2010 8:17:06 GMT -7
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Post by Remy on Feb 2, 2010 10:49:19 GMT -7
I have the same excitement for the iPad as I did for 'original' tablet pc and netbook. They represent a direction in technology that I love. The tablet pc failed. The netbook failed. That iPad very much may fail but at least we are moving forward on the corpses of tech.
There was a level of entrance to the Apple IIe that I consider to be a lock down. You had to have the $$ to buy the machine and the balls to jump in to tinker with it. A very small percentage the population did that. It's the same with a device like the iPad.
As for the DMCA that is a evil POS but won't stop those few that take things apart and innovate with them.
Apple entering the market does single a big move. The size of Apple changes things you can't argue that. Palm has a book who cares. Palm does not have the size to compete with Amazon if you read that article. Adobe would not be putting up the fuss they are now if it was Palm. I would argue the same when Microsoft enters the market.
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Post by Jackdruid on Feb 2, 2010 14:32:49 GMT -7
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Post by p00p on Feb 2, 2010 14:37:38 GMT -7
The Netbook hasn't failed!! Not by a long-shot. Hardware and software wasn't to a point to properly support tablets or netbooks until now, so I don't exactly know why you've come to that conclusion. Unless it's just bitterness over the lack of fruity love in this thread. Both tablets and Netbooks are gaining steam from the number of products being made available right now in those two categories. The numbers are showing quite the contrary to any Netbook fail. Now, whether users like their Netbooks or not is another story, but they're gaining momentum so far. Sure there were tablet PC's in the past but the cost and hardware constraint kept them from anything near mainstream. Hardware and software has changed and in my book, it's too early to call any fails. On the whole locked down thing, I'm not really following. I have only mentioned it in context of not being able to install and uninstall what I want, like I do on my PC's now. -PS: Microsoft isn't going to enter the market. They develop software, not hardware. It's the Device manufacturers who decide what their hardware runs.
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Post by Mathazar on Feb 2, 2010 14:38:16 GMT -7
Wait what? The netbook failed? While Notebook sales stayed roughly the same from 2008 to 2009 netbook sales doubled from 16 million to 32million. And I think you missed my point entirely with the Palm reference. Palm is not a realivent player today sure. What I meant was the the idea of a portable electronic book is far from new. Amazon didn't invent it, Apple isn't about to steal "their" thunder by "entering the market". The idea of Apple being this huge juggernaut that drives change is a myth. They mastered marketing on an MP3 player and admittedly pwn'd that market. And the iPhone has been a success for sure, but not to the same extent as the ipod. They have alot of marketing hype for sure. Alot of pretty people on the front of magazines in the check out isle think it's trendy to have a mac and drive a prius. But outside of the ipod and iphone how much penetration do they really have where they have "entered the market"?
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Post by p00p on Feb 2, 2010 14:44:02 GMT -7
That's pretty cool, in the aspect that if there were an RDP-type client app for the iPad. You could control your windows boxes from the pad! ..Maybe I could play Plants vs Zombies over thin client? I wonder how touch controls work with it, if it would accept the native Windows 7 touch controls.
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