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Post by p00p on Jan 29, 2010 17:34:36 GMT -7
The Author makes retarded excuses for the lack of functionality by either assuming the user is dumb enough to not miss it or by adding functionality that would make it a Tablet. He assumes that the Future will be one where we all conform to the box and one way of thinking and computing. Loss of options, loss of functionality, loss of control over the hardware and software is not the future. That is, Unless Idiocracy was more of a prophecy instead of a comedy. 'New World Computing'?? lollerPropPlane down. In flames. Onto a gas Station. Near a propane plant that's right next to a nuclear weapons facility.
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Post by b0lg on Jan 29, 2010 17:34:49 GMT -7
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Post by Remy on Jan 29, 2010 20:21:02 GMT -7
The author assumes nothing but makes the very good point the computing world will be different. The mouse may go away, flash may not always be around and people will always complain when they don't understand. The iPad may not be that device but we are not going to be on the mouse keyboard setup forever. Just ask Scotty in Star Trek 4. (10pts for scene I'm referring too)
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Post by bl00k on Jan 29, 2010 20:23:46 GMT -7
In the glass company place where they need them to build a big fish tank and he starts saying.. "computer blah blah blah" and their like, "uhhh.... use this."
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Post by Grimmie on Jan 30, 2010 10:28:47 GMT -7
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Post by Jackdruid on Jan 31, 2010 22:27:16 GMT -7
Well said, p00p - you put into beautiful prose some of the half-formed thoughts I had a-spinning in my head this week. And others that had not occured to me but are equally correct.
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Post by Remy on Feb 1, 2010 9:04:53 GMT -7
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Post by p00p on Feb 1, 2010 9:07:13 GMT -7
B0lg and Phr0st got what I was thinking first. I'll say it again though, I think it'll be a really cool toy and if I had any use for an e-reader, it'd be on my short list. -it would be! But I'm sure my ego and hatred for anything with a lowercase 'I' in front of it's name would prevent me from any purchase. People want the most bang for their buck and they won't find it in the iPad. Albeit, it's more than fairly priced in the e-reader market for it's features. The iPad will only increase Netbook sales - and fruity remorse for any first adopters who expected more than an e-reader. This is the first modern product from Apple that, for me, shows a lack of that vision that has helped keep it such a phenomenon in the face of the massively saturated (in terms of hardware) PC market. Their laptop and iMacs are beautiful pieces of hardware and there is no argument that the iPhone changed an entire market overnight. IMO, the iPad is the first real test for the Fruit Zealot. Will they maintain their religious-esque love for anything Fruity or will this start some introspection as to what they really want out of today's tech? Up until now, the Fruit has told their Zealots what they want out of tech, and it's been working. Will they soon discover that the Fruit's Magic is just a man behind the curtain manipulating the great, green wizard head of Oz? err.. I mean Apple? The gap is getting larger and larger between the Fruit's marketing dominance and reality... The Fruity magic is in serious peril with the iPad. IMO, that is. I can't wait to see how this all plays out through this year! For some INSANE reason, Apple's marketing the iPad directly into the tablet and netbook categories so it's going to go up against some pretty hardcore hardware very quickly. Hardware is at a decent point to where companies can start to put out Tablet-type devices that are close to even my benchmarking for what I'd expect out of a tablet (and I'm a total hardware snob!).. to see how these devices are pitted against the iPad, even though they shouldn't even be in the same category, should be very interesting. .. But for me, it will be even more interesting to see how the Fruit Zealots react when they start to see that the Fruititious Magic is in peril.
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Post by Remy on Feb 1, 2010 9:10:17 GMT -7
I'll let you take that statement back since it's retarded. Not a computational device? The iPad with it's processor that has attached memory, L2 cache and bus? It takes user input and runs applications?
Regardless if you think it infringes on what you think a tablet is. The iPad is more computer then the Apple IIe.
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Post by Remy on Feb 1, 2010 9:31:09 GMT -7
Ok I've had. If I get called kool-aid drinker or fruit zealot for being excited for where technology is going fine. I've been programming since I was nine years old with my playground being the halls of Word Perfect. I use the big three (Windows, Linux OS X) just fine so I know where I stand. Here is the where I get my excitement. 1. The iPad is a Tablet as much as a Wacom is a Tablet. I don't care what it's called as it's a new idea that people are trying to define and have not yet. Maybe Apple can be like Google and call it the 'Supertablet' (Google called the Nexus one a superphone since it's 'better' then a smartphone) 2. I believe the iPad is going to introduce a new way of interacting with the world as did the internet. Example one is MLB app as I posted before. To be able to watch a Baseball game and look at player stats etc is amazing. It takes the game to a whole different level like the iPhone version did for me last year. 3. Books. Books are on computers but not like the Kindle. Now Apple has entered the market and many others are planning on it. Amazon thought they had the market for the themselves but now needs to think again Great article -> www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/01/amazon-macmillan-an-outsiders.html4. If you want you can hack the iPad. And please do. I believe alot came from the jail-broken iphone. The iPad is as locked down as the Apple IIe or IBM PC clone was and I still was able to trinker with those. Mark Pilgrim thinks the iPad will spawn less programmers because kids won't be able to trinker with the new computers coming out diveintomark.org/archives/2010/01/29/tinkerers-sunsetWhatever. I watch my 4 year work his way around our home computer better then most people. You can tell me he won't be able to tinker with computers like the iPad. He will. Like cars when they were first invited a bicycle shop owner was able to pull those apart and fix them. Now they wouldn't be able. Computers are still young and will get more and more complex but there will be those that can still take them apart. 5. Last night my wife and I played Rock band over bluetooth on our iPhones. That is f'n cool. 6. A fight over flash is not a bad thing.http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/01/sympathy_for_the_devil.html 7. For those TLDR I don't want to hear a word from you. End of line.
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Post by p00p on Feb 1, 2010 9:32:37 GMT -7
Ok, that is a pretty cool concept. I think Apple is onto something here in regards to changing the 'everything should be free' attitude on the internets. Their App store and DRM is beasty but it works well. Keeping devices outside of the 'standard internet' and into an appliance all app-centric device works beautifully as far as what I would envision potential new e-commerce business models go. Like I stated before, why offer it on your standard web-page when you could charge for your content? And an App Store is a perfect vehicle for this. Now, is it good or bad? I dunno. It boils down to what you value for the premium content. As far as I see it, it's a really good solution for quite the internet quagmire when it comes to internet revenues for businesses. What's the difference between the MLB app and say, any other product you may buy in a brick and mortar store? You buy it because you perceive it has value. I disagree that this device will change TV. TV is changing towards this without any singular device. Look at the Sports feature on Windows Media Center or any number of media driven sites out there. I don't think any change in how TV is delivered is going to be championed by any one device. I think it's just the natural progression of media in our age.
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Post by Phr0st on Feb 1, 2010 9:41:41 GMT -7
Thing is this, people are expecting locked down consumer electronic devices now. The console revolution has layed that framework, iPhones have furthered that framework, and the iPad is no different.
PC's are not for 12 oclock flashers, even old consumer electronics were too hard to use, think if they let us install our own software on them? who would even want that? a tiny group of hobbyists ?
People expect to buy something that works now, the days of troubleshooting your computer etc etc are going away, companies won't pay for support, so instead they try lock you out of having problems.
The flash thing is spot on, it won't matter, companies have already started rolling out non flash alternatives to video in order to curb the loss of flash. Flash has a really bad rap of being a hog, some valid some not. Either way, Adobe has said since the iphone came out that it was "working" on a flash client for the iphone. Never have we seen this, and Adobe has even stated that the iPad's lack of flash is bad news for them. I don't think it will be on any fruit device from here on out.
Who needs rich internet applications when you have a faster iApp alternative? Keeps Apple in control and in teh moneh. You will def see a hulu app in the app store soon.
On remy's point, yep it is a computer, but so is an xbox.
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Post by p00p on Feb 1, 2010 9:45:33 GMT -7
I'll let you take that statement back since it's retarded. Not a computational device? The iPad with it's processor that has attached memory, L2 cache and bus? It takes user input and runs applications? Regardless if you think it infringes on what you think a tablet is. The iPad is more computer then the Apple IIe. I don't think the iPad is a computer in the same aspect as I wouldn't call a terminal or kiosk a computer. For me, in it's most generic term, a computer is what I am typing on now. It's what I run at home for games and tv. Architecturally speaking, the iPad has computer guts yes. but so do our phones, so do terminals and kiosks. But those devices are designed for specific narrow purposes and we don't call them Computers. I view the iPad in the same way. That's the point I was going for. I hope this helps clarify my POV.
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Post by Remy on Feb 1, 2010 9:47:09 GMT -7
The idea of it being locked down I believe is a moot point. I kinda agree with Phr0st that people are expecting locked down devices. I would go further and say most people didn't know their Windows 3.1 or 98 was even open. My guess is 80% - 90% of the world's computer users use about 30% of the functionality of their computers. It is only us leet that know the full potential and you should be able to hack the hell out of any device and tell it what you want it to do.
Computers only do what they are told.
Yes the Xbox is a definitively a computer.
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Post by p00p on Feb 1, 2010 10:12:21 GMT -7
I see two camps forming here. Correct me if I'm wrong or have over simplified (please).
1) Camp Appliance: Computing as it is today will be replaced with appliances. -Easy to use devices designed for specific uses. They may have limits, but the purpose for these limits are to create a stable and enjoyable experience designed for the device's purpose.
2) Camp All-all-in-one: One device to rule them all. One device that can do everything we can do on a desktop as well as the most simple tasks that any appliance can render (completely subjective to UI and individual applications), but be more portable than current laptops and more powerful than netbooks.
Does that sound about right?
Now maybe there's room for both camps in the forest. But we know where I've set up my tent. I think we'll see the general public start to form which camp they choose this year.
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